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Matjlav
Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:20 pm:   

I have some questions about writing japanese vertically.

E.g.: (the o's are just used to keep the phrasing aligned)
猫犬
はは
逃猫
げに
るジ
o ャ
o ン
o プ
o し
o た

I think that is "The dog jumped to the cat. The cat ran away."

1. Did I write "The dog jumped to the cat" right? If not, clarify.
2. How do you write exclamation points and question marks vertically?
3. Is vertical writing modern, and used usually?
4. Are small kana characters that go with a large kana character put on a different line?

ありがとうございます! Thank you!

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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 11:37 pm:   

Here are most (if not all) things that cannot start a line:
!%),.:;?]}¢°’”‰′″℃、。々〉》」』】〕ぁぃぅぇぉっゃゅょゎ゛゜ゝゞァィ ゥェォッャュョヮヵヶ・ーヽヾ!%),.:;?]}。」、・ァィゥェォャュョッー゙゚¢

Here are most (if not all) things that cannot end a line:
$([{£\‘“〈《「『【〔$([{「£¥
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 11:45 pm:   

man, it changed cent sign (a 'c' with a '|' through it) to ¢ and the pound sign from the 'L' thingy to £
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:17 am:   

猫犬
がが
逃猫
げの
た方
 へ
 跳
 ん
 だ

maybe 〜にジャンプする sounds more like "give a jump to"...? i dunno...

Also, は sounds more general.
Therefore:
犬は猫にジャンプした might sound like "Dogs jumped/gave jumps to cats"
and
猫は逃げる might sound like "Cats flee"

Hope that makes sense.
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:21 am:   

Ah, i forgot!

Many, many, many magazines (雑誌) and newspapers (新聞) and manga (漫画) are vertical and open from left-to-right.

Also, the small kana and punctuation (period and comma) are justified to the upper-right corner of the character's "box". This is different from left-to-right writing because they are justified to the lower-left.
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:31 am:   

Just a note for those interested:

The dog jumped [over] the cat.
-------------------------------------------------
犬が猫[の上]を飛びました
inu ga neko [no ue] wo tobimashita.


EXPLANATION:
You use を with verbs of motion (walk, fly, run, etc.)

文例:
私は貴方のお店の前を歩きました。
watashi ha/wa anata no omise no mae wo arukimashita.
"i walked before your store"
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Matjlav
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 12:19 pm:   

How do you write exclamations then?
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 09:04 pm:   

か よ
? !

You should use 全角 (zenkaku) instead of 半角 (hankaku) if you are going to write vertically so that the question mark and exclamation mark are centered...
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Matjlav
Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 02:19 pm:   

are you saying that you must always write か and よ before question marks and exclamation points when vertically writing?
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 04:50 am:   

Oh, no, i was just doing that to show that the ? and ! are centered... Also, those are probably when you'd be using the two punctuations, right? But, if you're writing formal, you should only use "、" and "。".
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Matjlav
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 10:03 am:   

So, which of these 2 would be correct?

チ    チャ
    |
|    チ
チ    へ
へ    行
行    き
き    ま
ま    し
し    た
た    か
か    ?
? 

and which of these?

私    私
は    は
チ    チ 
ャ    ャ
|    |
チ    チ
へ    へ
行    行
き    き
ま    ま
し    し
た    た
が、   
ス    、
 
ク    ス
|    ク
ル    |
へ    ル
行    へ
き    き
ま    ま
せ    せ
ん    ん
で    で
し    し
た。   
     。


Thanks!
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 05:21 pm:   

how can i post images?
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Matjlav
Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 11:41 am:   

to post images you must put them on your hard drive. to post them, just post:

(Backslash)image{Description of image, NOT filename, this is what will appear when you hover the arrow over the image}

Then, when you preview it, a thing saying "your image here" will appear in place of the code. After you post the image, a page will come up telling you to browse for the image. Do so, and press "upload", and then the image will be posted. Then you can delete it from your hard drive.
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 05:52 pm:   

Normal Text With Positioning
Vertical Text With Positioning
Small Tsu Horizontal
Small Tsu Vertical

Here are some examples of the locations of small characters & punctuation....
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 05:58 pm:   

Man, those took a long time to make, hope you appreciate them(^^;
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Matjlav
Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 12:55 pm:   

yeah, I do! so are you saying no two characters go on the same line? And it shouldn't take that long...

Anyway, I was just wondering if イヌがネコのフロントを跳ねた。 would mean "The dog jumped in front of the cat." Thanks!
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 05:53 pm:   

hmmm~. I think that would work... but probably 跳んだ is better than 跳ねた? I dunno, it just seems that 跳ねた is like 跳び上がる which is like "jump (upward)"... Whatever(^o^)

Instead of front, also, you could say 前を because フロントを might sound like "the cat's reception desk"! haha.
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Matjlav
Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 06:21 pm:   

Hehe.... So can you use basically use any noun that could express location to clarify verbs of motion? Or are there only certain nouns that can express it? E.g. イヌがマウンテンの頂上を跳んだ。(Inu ga maunten no choujou o tonda) meaning "The dog jumped on top of the mountain" or イヌがネコの横手を歩いた。(Inu ga neko no yokote o aruita) meaning "The dog walked to the cat's side." Well, thanks! Japanese is such a cool language...
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Mr. Anonymous
Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 11:05 pm:   

"Jumping onto" something is not a "verb of motion"...

空を飛ぶ is "fly through the sky", or, literally "fly the sky".

If you want an "to/at" then you need へ or に
犬が山の頂上へ跳んだ "the dog jumped to the summit of the mountain"

If you want to express "where" the action was being performed, you need で
犬が山の頂上で跳んだ "the dog jumped [while] on the summit of the mountain"
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Whitelightning
Posted on Friday, October 24, 2003 - 10:06 am:   

hey how do you write Josh and Amanda ?
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Rachel Fordyce
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 11:35 am:   

i am japenese but im just learning to speak it and i dont know how to say fuck you or ass hole
if someone could help me
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Rachel Fordyce
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 11:39 am:   

I also need the symbols for love and strength
it would be really helpful
thank you

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